00:00
Peter Dunn
You. All right, it's a special 30 minutes late start of the Pete the Planner show here today. So much so that I haven't even welcomed Kristen and Dame into the studio yet. Thank you for being here. I'm so excited to have Kristen and Dame back in the mix today. But I have to admit, I am starting off this show with a scorching hot take that could alienate a good 75% of our audience, and I have no fear about that. All right, so here's the thing. Here's what I've noticed. And I got to bring Kristen and Dame onto the stage here with me today. Kristen, dame. Hello.
00:42
Damian Dunn
Hello.
00:44
Peter Dunn
Just jump right in.
00:45
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, go ahead.
00:46
Peter Dunn
Dame. I am disturbed. Dame, you know this. I mean, actually, you text me on a regular basis. I'm pretty sure you're disturbed, Pete, but I'm very disturbed by a trend I have seen here recently, and I need to take it up with everyone. And I'm unapologetic about this. I'm nervous, and I might use profanity. I don't really like to do on air. Off air. Dame Kristen, why are so many people obsessed with decorating for Halloween? All of a.
01:22
Damian Dunn
We have a bit of a drive for some of our weekend activities, and it's not uncommon to see 20 foot skeletons in people's yards.
01:30
Kristen Ahlenius
I love it.
01:31
Peter Dunn
Why?
01:32
Kristen Ahlenius
I love it. It's so cool.
01:35
Peter Dunn
It's spooky season, right? I love a good hold on.
01:41
Damian Dunn
That's not spooky. It's spooky season.
01:45
Peter Dunn
I love spooky season, but I hate all the Halloween decorations. They've gotten so macabre. I have a neighbor that's got body parts strewn about their yard, literally strewn about. Just body parts. And it's like, go back 50 years. Go back 50 years. Dame, we got math.
02:06
Damian Dunn
Do you have any math this year -50 yes.
02:09
Peter Dunn
Okay.
02:12
Damian Dunn
Yeah. That number hits. A little bit differently when you frame it that way.
02:18
Peter Dunn
Yeah. So just around the time of your birthday, can you time out on my timeout 50 years ago was in the decade of which you and I were born. Dan.
02:28
Damian Dunn
I know. That's what I'm saying. It's my birth. What are you talking about?
02:32
Peter Dunn
Oh, consider this. You and I were both born in 1977. Do you realize that the moon landing was in 1969, just eight years prior to us being born? Have you ever considered that?
02:45
Damian Dunn
No.
02:46
Peter Dunn
We first landed on the moon eight years before you and I were born. This whole time, I was like, oh, that was back in the black and white days, which was only eight years before you and I were born.
02:57
Damian Dunn
Let's not put perspective into this, Pete.
02:59
Kristen Ahlenius
I love this show.
03:01
Peter Dunn
Back to Halloween. Why are we doing such grotesque thing? I'm not a prude. I am a prude. But I've got this one neighbor that's got a body part in the yard that has a circulating pumping blood through the body part. And I just don't understand. I'm like, what happened and this isn't even, like, about religion or pagans or I just like, what are we doing? Why do we have body parts strewn about our yard? Meanwhile, this week, I ran on the Monon trail in the northern suburbs of central Indiana by a home where numerous bodies had been found years ago, and they just identified another victim of that. Literally. I was running on a trail by a place in which body parts were strewn all over the yard, and that is a crime. Yet my next door neighbor has a stuffed hay arm in the yard with cosmetic blood on it, and I'm struggling.
04:07
Damian Dunn
It's the only time of year where this is acceptable. Can you imagine if this was going on in May?
04:13
Peter Dunn
No dead bunnies.
04:16
Damian Dunn
Just decorations like this just popped up in your yard in middle of May.
04:23
Peter Dunn
Where are people keeping 20 foot skeletons.
04:27
Damian Dunn
In their rental storage place?
04:29
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, that's my question, is, where do you keep this stuff?
04:31
Peter Dunn
But I think it's awesome, man. I don't dislike Halloween because you get to walk around with a flask. What?
04:42
Damian Dunn
No, what you said is funny enough, but I'm looking at one of the links that just got put in, and I'm reading it from Chris, and that was not laughing, was not an appropriate reaction.
04:53
Peter Dunn
North Carolina groundskeeper. Moe's dead body. Mistaking. Prop.
04:58
Kristen Ahlenius
Mistaking it for he thought it was a prop.
05:01
Peter Dunn
Eric notes that he keeps his skeletons in the closet very well. You know, I would have been able to get into my house a few months ago, a few weeks ago, if I would have had a skeleton key. Unfortunately, I had a non standard schleich.
05:16
Kristen Ahlenius
And no electronic keypad either.
05:19
Damian Dunn
Pete? I upgraded to an electronic keypad on my exterior garage door after my locker converted. Well, that and the fact that I watched somebody walk up to my house, knock on my front door, and then peek into my garage to see if anybody was home.
05:34
Peter Dunn
Well, you weren't home, so I didn't know what to do, so I left. I also want to note that my family went to pumpkin patch in the past couple of weeks on fall break last weekend, and classic pumpkin patch. You can pick apples. You can pick pumpkins. You could buy apple cider, donuts, dame, excellent various candy corns. But they added a new feature to this fall family festivity, this cornucopia of fun this year, besides the $20 entry fee, they added exotic frogs. And you're thinking, oh, an exotic frog exhibit no, right next to the apple pies that you can buy. You can buy African frogs. And I'm like, why all of a sudden are people like, I want a gourd, and I want a potentially poisonous amphibian. I don't understand the connection. And it's been a very disturbing fall for me.
06:30
Damian Dunn
Got to be a social media thing.
06:32
Kristen Ahlenius
I can't get over the $20 entry fee.
06:35
Peter Dunn
You haven't lived in Hamilton County? No, I haven't I'm fired up. Good to be with you all. Matt asked if I will be participating in the running activities next week in an indie. Matt, I won't. But I'm trying to take the lead of our good friend dame who's taking his health seriously. I have tried to improve what I'm eating. I've been working out more like in classic old man style. I wake up at 530, walk 2 miles with a headlamp on and then I work out in the afternoons. But I did not have enough shape. Actually, I'm the shape of a pair. But I did not have enough fitness to run in the monumental marathon and half marathon next weekend. But I hope to next year. I'm going to run a five k with Mrs. Planner in December. Kristen, I've had a lot of coffee.
07:30
Peter Dunn
Excellent.
07:31
Kristen Ahlenius
Couldn't tell.
07:32
Peter Dunn
Okay, so let's do a thing called the show. We've not talked about the show at all. No. In fact, I don't even want to talk about what the segments are. We're just going to start the show. I don't care.
07:48
Damian Dunn
There we go. Buckle up, kids. It's going to be one of those special shows.
07:52
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay.
07:53
Peter Dunn
I don't know what we're going to talk about. I might turn to either of you for a topic as we're going.
08:02
Kristen Ahlenius
I did research.
08:04
Peter Dunn
I know. I'm going to turn to you and you can set it up.
08:07
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay.
08:07
Peter Dunn
I just don't want to hear what it is.
08:09
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay.
08:10
Peter Dunn
What fun is that?
08:11
Kristen Ahlenius
I was like, I don't have the email.
08:17
Peter Dunn
I don't want to know anything. Wonder if you know just a wonderful listener on our show. Here Andy Ramsey. Do you think she's a Dave Ramsey plant that's trying to get a witty Halloween content for his platform?
08:36
Kristen Ahlenius
She scored.
08:40
Damian Dunn
Was it? He forwarded that email. That's why I can't find I'm looking in slack. And that's not going to work because.
08:45
Peter Dunn
You guys, I'm starting the show. I got time for any of this. We'll figure it out in three, two, one. This week on the Pete the planner show, we may be answering your money questions. Here's how the show works. You email us, askpeat@peteepeplanner.com that's. Askpete@peteeplanner.com and here's what will happen. Who knows? I'm honestly if I'm being honest, I have no idea what will happen. We'll try to answer your financial question. The operative point of this show you should take away are two things. Number one, we are going to do our best to serve you in this moment. We don't want you to call us next week. We don't want to sell you anything. We don't want to be your financial advisors off the air. Our relationship is right now. We're going to do our best to serve you and your financial needs. Number two, we do not pay to be on this radio station or to have this podcast.
09:39
Peter Dunn
In fact, we are compensated to do so. This is to say, this is not a marketing apparatus for us. We are here to serve you in your moment. That's why if you email us, it's very personal. Askpeed@peteplunder.com joining me whole crew is here today. We've got Kristen Alanius from the Your Moneyline team, as well as Damien Dunn. Hello, friends.
09:59
Damian Dunn
Hello, Pete.
10:01
Peter Dunn
Damien, you're not a coffee drinker, are? No, no Diet Coke, right?
10:06
Damian Dunn
I gotta get caffeine somehow. That is my chosen vessel.
10:10
Peter Dunn
Kristen, what's your vessel?
10:13
Kristen Ahlenius
I try really hard to not discriminate. I love all caffeine, but usually coffee and Diet Coke.
10:18
Peter Dunn
Whatever I've had this morning is slapping bussing, as the kids say. All right, so let's start the show where it needs to be started, and that is Kristen. I believe there are generational differences potentially when it comes to money. Is that accurate?
10:36
Kristen Ahlenius
I believe that to be accurate as well, yes.
10:38
Peter Dunn
And is it because I've got all of the sudden old man takes that just keep getting older and older?
10:45
Kristen Ahlenius
I do think that your old man takes play a factor in how you perceive money compared to how I do, yes.
10:51
Peter Dunn
Dame, you and I share a lot of sensibility. I think it's the way were raised. We were raised separately because we are not related, despite the fact that people who raised us have the same names as each other. Do you feel like who has more old man takes or do you think you and I share our old man financial takes?
11:08
Damian Dunn
It'd be really interesting if we sat down and filled out a little questionnaire like Kristen developed a little ten question survey for us to fill out, and I think we'd be largely similar, but I think you may have more old man takes than I do.
11:26
Peter Dunn
Kristen, let's find out here what are the primary differences? Do you have a game set up for us in terms of generations here?
11:33
Kristen Ahlenius
Kind of. So, Dame, I don't know if you want to read the context of an email that we got this week, potentially, and then we can set it up.
11:40
Damian Dunn
Yeah, sure. Email begins. Hi, Pete. Just Pete. Hi, Pete.
11:46
Kristen Ahlenius
Rude.
11:49
Damian Dunn
Especially since we're doing all the heavy lifting on.
11:51
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah.
11:52
Damian Dunn
You okay?
11:53
Peter Dunn
Sorry.
11:55
Kristen Ahlenius
Shots fired.
11:57
Damian Dunn
Just listened to the Gen Z episode of the podcast and I was struck by your comment about all generations going through the same stages of life. First jobs, first houses, et cetera. But those stages occur in different macroeconomic environments. Got me thinking about a few ratios you guys could dig into further to help demonstrate the macroeconomic differences between generations, and I'm sure Kristen could turn it into a guessing game somehow. Well, he was right. Those examples that he provided to us minimum wage to median rentmortgage, median salary versus median home price, median starting salary versus median college tuition, minimum wage versus the cost of a Big Mac generational. Ideal budget comparison. Unfortunately, I think empathy tends to take a backseat when generational comparisons or discussions happen. And I know you guys are big on empathy at your money line, and my hope is that this segment could generate some better understanding between generations as it relates to the macroeconomic factors that are impacting younger generations more directly and significantly.
13:01
Damian Dunn
So, Kristen, you have been charged with representing the entirety of your generation and convincing Pete and I that we're just old fuddy.
13:14
Kristen Ahlenius
Like to I like to think that I can play both sides of that argument, but what? I've done is kind of put together some different per the emailers request and maybe some fun ones that I looked up, but I thought we could turn it into a guessing game. How much did certain things cost? We can talk about minimum wage and if we kick it right off. The emailer suggested something about the cost of a Big Mac. So the Big Mac debuted in 1967. Do either of you want to guess how much the first Big Mac cost?
13:44
Peter Dunn
I'm going to go fifteen cents.
13:47
Damian Dunn
I will go a quarter.
13:49
Kristen Ahlenius
Those are guesses. Yes. The first Big Mac actually cost $0.45 in 1967.
13:57
Peter Dunn
Those are good guesses. Yeah. Why are you beating up those gas? Yeah, but were in cents. It's not like Dame was like $17. Okay, free bitcoin. We had good guesses.
14:11
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay, so do either of you have any idea how much minimum wage was at that time in 1967? You want to take a guess?
14:18
Peter Dunn
We don't know because weren't alive, but we're going to take a guess. These are going to be okay. Dame, minimum wage, 1967. Is this going to be like there was no minimum wage? Are you going to do one of those things? No, I don't need trick. Oh, man. No. I'm going to go no way. That can't be right. I'm going to go a dollar 75, which just sounds like a terrible guess, actually.
14:47
Kristen Ahlenius
It's not bad. It was a dollar 40 at the time. So essentially you worked for the equivalent of 3.1 Big Macs per hour in 1967.
14:58
Peter Dunn
I love a Big Mac. Dame. Do you like Big Macs?
15:01
Damian Dunn
Never had one. Never passed these lips.
15:03
Peter Dunn
Kristen?
15:05
Kristen Ahlenius
I don't like pickles.
15:06
Peter Dunn
So no, you don't like pickles?
15:09
Kristen Ahlenius
No.
15:09
Damian Dunn
I don't either.
15:11
Peter Dunn
How can I trust either of you.
15:14
Kristen Ahlenius
Not a pickle gal?
15:16
Peter Dunn
Okay, do you like any pickled foods as opposed to pickles themselves?
15:19
Kristen Ahlenius
Correct. I like vinegar. I just don't like pickles.
15:23
Peter Dunn
You're anti cucumber.
15:25
Kristen Ahlenius
I like cucumbers.
15:29
Peter Dunn
This is just the dumbest show on radio. Okay, so anyway, 3.1 big max per hour of work. Okay.
15:40
Kristen Ahlenius
Yes. I drew some other examples from that year to just kind of give us a baseline. The median home price at that time do we want to guess or do you want me to tell you?
15:50
Peter Dunn
I want to guess.
15:51
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay, the median home price in 1960?
15:53
Peter Dunn
717 thousand.
15:56
Damian Dunn
Yeah, I was going to go with like 14 something.
15:59
Kristen Ahlenius
So according to our lovely AI friend.
16:02
Peter Dunn
About 24,000 chat GPT came up with 24,000.
16:09
Kristen Ahlenius
Correct.
16:10
Peter Dunn
Okay. So I'm much closer than Dame is what you're saying.
16:15
Kristen Ahlenius
So at that time, if my math checks, which really common misconception is that to be good at money, you have to be good at math. I have that. It would take you 17,000 hours of minimum wage to afford the median home in 1967.
16:32
Peter Dunn
Are you going to have to draw.
16:33
Damian Dunn
This out today as well? Yes, you are. Of course you are.
16:37
Peter Dunn
Okay, kristen, this is going to be two segments correct. Because this is just too much good work to go into one segment here. So just for a second here, what you've just said is it would take an eight and a half years worth of wages at 17,000 hours. If you assume that a person works 2000 hours a year, I believe is sort of the standard. I think it's a little bit less than that, but whatever. Eight and a half years. I know all of us are now crunching the math in our own head of our wages as it relates to housing.
17:09
Kristen Ahlenius
Right.
17:10
Peter Dunn
And I think we're going to make the argument here pretty quickly. I don't know what is going to be your argument. I'm thinking it's not that bad. But you might be saying, yeah, the millennials are right or the gen zers are right.
17:21
Kristen Ahlenius
I think you might be surprised at how many hours someone has to work for some of these things in today's world. But, yeah, we can talk about I have 1995 and 2023 left.
17:33
Peter Dunn
Okay, everyone just calm down. Everyone calm down. We're going to take a break. Coming back after the break, we're going to explore minimum wage over the years, the cost of items over the years. Are we still going to hit the cost of Big Macs the other day? But hold the pickles. Okay. This is a very special spooky season episode of The Planner Show. We're so glad to have Dame and Kristen back. It's been a long time since the band has been back together and we are here. We have hot takes about Halloween, but more importantly, we're here for you all. That's next on the Pete the Planner show. I'm stalling because I have 5 seconds left. Fill the post. That time is over. I'm Pete the planner.
18:16
Damian Dunn
I love how it looked like you had to check your notes before you said my name. Because it's been that long.
18:22
Peter Dunn
Did it look like that? I didn't.
18:24
Damian Dunn
You looked down.
18:25
Peter Dunn
Damien name is Darren Dunn. Damien, have you had full break in your house yet?
18:34
Damian Dunn
It's going on right now. I am the only one in my house. I have been abandoned as the rest of my family has gone south for a while.
18:41
Peter Dunn
Do they leave the state?
18:42
Damian Dunn
Yes.
18:43
Peter Dunn
And you're alone?
18:44
Damian Dunn
Yes.
18:45
Peter Dunn
Are you having me over? Sure.
18:48
Damian Dunn
Come on. I've got some great bottles. We'll have fun.
18:52
Peter Dunn
I've not had a beverage this week. Sometimes when you talk about alcohol and your lifestyle and your relationship around alcohol. It's so taboo that after during the pandemic, it was just so not unusual just to pour yourself a drink at the end of your hellscape of a day. And some of those habits continued. There's usually a few days a week in which I don't pour something, but this week, I've not had anything, and I feel pretty good about that. And as you know, I started January through May not having a single drip of the devil's sweat. So yeah, Dave, maybe I'll come up there and we'll tie one on.
19:27
Damian Dunn
Yeah, my consumption has been way down overall. Yeah, you're well aware of that. So I will be a cheap date, especially since it's my own libations. I'm sure.
19:37
Peter Dunn
What do you think an Uber is from my house to your house?
19:40
Damian Dunn
I looked it up one year for an event we had, and let me just say it would be well worth the expense if it saved you from any issues.
19:54
Peter Dunn
Okay. Right now, there's a Fizzoli's down the street from you, right.
19:58
Damian Dunn
I mean, it's a few turns away, but how many miles? No, there's not.
20:02
Peter Dunn
It's now a I'm going to pull up that. I don't want to get too specific about where you live, but I'm going to right now, cost of an Uber to your area because I don't want to put in your address.
20:15
Damian Dunn
Well, I appreciate that, but I used to have the giant posters behind me on the show.
20:20
Peter Dunn
Okay. Where to? I'm going to go to Starbucks in a certain town.
20:27
Damian Dunn
In that town.
20:29
Kristen Ahlenius
Must be nice.
20:33
Damian Dunn
We're getting a chipotle, too. It's almost finished being constructed. I know the rumor was that were getting a Panda Express, too, but I think they've pulled out.
20:44
Kristen Ahlenius
I thought you guys were getting something really trendy, like raising Horse park.
20:49
Damian Dunn
We were getting a Popeyes that's pulled out as well.
20:52
Kristen Ahlenius
Oh, man.
20:53
Peter Dunn
Yeah. It's not even giving me an option.
20:55
Damian Dunn
Texas Roadhouse. We're getting Texas roadhouse.
20:58
Kristen Ahlenius
Rolls are really all that I'm in it for there.
21:00
Damian Dunn
I mean, the butter is fabulous.
21:04
Peter Dunn
Well, naturally, but my mom makes her.
21:08
Damian Dunn
Own version of that, and it's just as good.
21:12
Peter Dunn
Man, it is not even letting me go there. Let's move the show.
21:16
Damian Dunn
We don't we don't want the Hamiltonites coming down here. Up here, around there.
21:22
Peter Dunn
All right, here we go. We're ready to start the segment?
21:25
Kristen Ahlenius
Sure.
21:27
Peter Dunn
Are you doing other items in 1967?
21:31
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, but we'll have to take along a little bit quicker. We did median home price. I have the median wage to Andrea's point in the Facebook comments, and I also have the median college tuition.
21:43
Peter Dunn
Okay, great. And then when we go to 1990, something 95. And then what today? Okay.
21:51
Damian Dunn
Basically the year we started high school seniors. And then now so you're saying that.
21:56
Peter Dunn
Kristen, between you and I, we averaged hours of preparation for today's show yeah.
22:03
Damian Dunn
And it shows. Well done, everybody.
22:06
Peter Dunn
Thanks. Three, two, one. Back on the Pete the Planner show. Kristen, my illustrious co host, took the time to do some things, and those things include, what were average prices of things like a Big Mac? Homes, college tuition, median salary, minimum wage, all these different things in different areas of time, in eras, if you will. And today we have learned that a Big Mac cost $0.45. In 1967, minimum wage was a dollar 40 at the same time, and median home prices was, like, $24,000 or so in that time frame. Kristen, talk to us about college. We're going to guess now on college education, college tuition. Are we talking for an entire year or just a semester.
23:06
Kristen Ahlenius
To make it so we could compare over time? I did. Per year in state tuition, average cost. So how much did it cost for one year of in state public tuition in 1967?
23:27
Peter Dunn
Wow.
23:30
Kristen Ahlenius
You would have to work for 750 hours of minimum wage to afford a year's college tuition in 1967.
23:41
Peter Dunn
How many hours? Okay, so you're working a third of the year. You could work a summer ish and then some other wages and put yourself through school pretty easily.
23:56
Kristen Ahlenius
I'm not sure that math tracks well.
23:59
Peter Dunn
Now, what is this, a math show? What is a financial show?
24:02
Kristen Ahlenius
Well, I'm thinking I'm like looking back at it, and it may have been 10:00, and I'm not sure that math tracks, but $300 per year?
24:10
Peter Dunn
Wait, your math is a problem?
24:12
Kristen Ahlenius
My math might have been a problem.
24:17
Peter Dunn
Let's dive a little bit deeper here.
24:20
Kristen Ahlenius
I'm sorry. Well, think. Okay. For $300 and you make one dollars 40 an hour. It's not 750.
24:29
Damian Dunn
No, it's not.
24:30
Kristen Ahlenius
You're right, it's not 750. I don't know what I was thinking.
24:34
Peter Dunn
Wow. So tell us what else you found in all of your research.
24:39
Kristen Ahlenius
That was my math. That wasn't the research's fault. So I have some other noteworthy items have cost from 1967 that I think are just fun and really quick. A ticket to see the Beatles, and I did from the ticket to see the Beatles in 1964 started at $3.
24:55
Damian Dunn
Per ticket and then $30 for ticketmaster.
25:00
Kristen Ahlenius
Fees.
25:01
Peter Dunn
Yeah. Seventy five cents per beatle. That's not bad.
25:04
Kristen Ahlenius
And then the previous owner of the Buffalo Bills established the franchise for $25,000 in 1960. Yeah, so his estate did okay. And then a postage stamp was another one I thought was interesting. They were four cents at the time.
25:21
Peter Dunn
Guess 250 percent off. All right. So are we going to matriculate into 1995? This is the year I got my senior pictures taken, if you've ever seen it. I'm laying in a grass meadow with Justin Timberlake. Curly red hair with Abercrombie and Fitch cargo shorts and an oversized plaid shirt. Dame pretty much had the same picture, my guess. Except his hair was not curly.
25:50
Damian Dunn
Mine was all in a studio. There were no outdoor shots.
25:53
Peter Dunn
Well, I lived in Claremont, Indiana, at the time, and so we had to go outside in a meadow and just show I was one with nature because I kept a lot of outdoor supplies in those cargo shorts. Kristen, take us through 1995.
26:08
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, absolutely. So I was alive in 1995. So I feel like I have a lot to offer as far as this year is concerned. Do you want to guess the minimum wage? It was actually $4.75.
26:32
Peter Dunn
Wow.
26:33
Kristen Ahlenius
When you were seniors?
26:34
Peter Dunn
Yeah. Can I tell you that my first job trying to think outside of working for my family business, I worked at Camelot Music Store.
26:45
Damian Dunn
The record store.
26:46
Peter Dunn
Yeah.
26:46
Damian Dunn
It's a record store.
26:47
Peter Dunn
Yeah. I want to say it was like, I don't know, eight or $9, I assume. And it was in that time frame. There's no way I made an hour.
26:56
Kristen Ahlenius
An hour?
26:57
Peter Dunn
What?
26:58
Damian Dunn
You made $9 an hour in 95?
27:03
Peter Dunn
Think about this. There's no way I was making $4 an hour in 1995.
27:09
Damian Dunn
But go to Social Security Administration and figure out look at the reported wages. Not now.
27:15
Peter Dunn
No, we got time. Kristen, do your thing.
27:17
Kristen Ahlenius
I'm going to gov. So a Big Mac in 1995, and this is hard because obviously the price varies across the nation, but approximately damien, do you want to guess how much a Big Mac was then? At that time? It was $2.32.
27:36
Peter Dunn
Nice.
27:37
Kristen Ahlenius
So you would have to work about half an hour to afford a Big Mac at minimum wage. So went from having to work about a third of an hour to about half of an hour to be able to afford a Big Mac in 1995.
27:50
Peter Dunn
This is also incredibly relevant to me because this is at the peak of my Big Mac consumption. So what do you say was $2 and what? Okay, so a Value Meal was 299 at that.
28:03
Damian Dunn
What, did they have them did they have Value Meals?
28:05
Peter Dunn
They did, because I remember paying $3.0.15 after tax.
28:09
Damian Dunn
Okay.
28:10
Peter Dunn
Because I think state tax rate was $0.06. Yeah, something like that.
28:16
Damian Dunn
I mean, the one I always fall back on to illustrate just how old I am to my kids is, hey, kids. I remember when I could get five roast beef sandwiches from Arby's for $5.05 for five.
28:28
Peter Dunn
That was also my childhood.
28:30
Damian Dunn
Or five beef and Cheddars for $5.
28:33
Kristen Ahlenius
Can't relate.
28:33
Peter Dunn
You guys, I got trapped trying to log into SSA dot Gov to figure out my wages, and then I got.
28:39
Damian Dunn
Stuck some abandoned ship.
28:42
Peter Dunn
Yeah, sorry.
28:43
Kristen Ahlenius
So the median home price then in 1995.
28:49
Peter Dunn
Okay. I feel good about this.
28:50
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay.
28:51
Peter Dunn
Yeah, but that's so and it's hard, right?
28:54
Damian Dunn
Because you're going to guess what you knew, Pete, and there are coasts involved at that point.
29:00
Peter Dunn
Okay, well, it seems like you're trash talking my guess, and I haven't even flapped these gums with the guests yet. 56,000 American dollars.
29:10
Damian Dunn
Damien $49,000.
29:14
Peter Dunn
Wait, you're going to trash talk my guess? And you're $7,000 off?
29:20
Damian Dunn
Yes, I am.
29:24
Kristen Ahlenius
Maybe you could add them together. It was $113,000.
29:28
Peter Dunn
Maybe you need to consider the coast dame.
29:30
Damian Dunn
Yeah, maybe I do.
29:32
Kristen Ahlenius
You had to work 23,000 hours at minimum wage to afford the median home price. We went from 17,000 to 23,000 hours.
29:42
Peter Dunn
From eight and a half years to almost 20 years to be able to afford the median home on a minimum wage, though, right?
29:51
Kristen Ahlenius
I just use that as our standard marker to try. And of course, we do make good ratios here. And then the median college tuition per year. And I fixed my math on the other example. Median college tuition in 1995, $3,000.
30:09
Peter Dunn
Pete 1995, average college tuition. So this is about when I was going to college. I went to a private school.
30:19
Kristen Ahlenius
This is public.
30:20
Peter Dunn
I know, but I'm just doing the math out loud here. It was $12,000 tuition in fall of 90. 612 thousand dollars at Hanover College. I'm going to guess $8,000 was public school. My guess is $8,000.
30:38
Kristen Ahlenius
It was $4,000. So you would have had to worked 842 hours at minimum wage to afford your year's college tuition. And I fixed my previous example. It was 214 hours. So almost essentially a four times increase.
30:55
Peter Dunn
So you could have worked for five weeks, essentially five to six weeks at minimum wage in 1967 to have purchased a college education.
31:06
Kristen Ahlenius
Perhaps. But we both know that my math cannot be trusted at this time.
31:10
Peter Dunn
That seems like a problem. Let's do this. Let's take a break. Let's double check your math with a calculator ti 85. And then we'll come back. And when we come back, we're going to talk about not 1967, not 1995 when Kristen had blessed the earth, but 2023. What are the costs now in relation to wages? All of that's next right here on the Pete the Planner show. I'm Pete the planner. Man, we really came back to the radio with a bang here.
31:38
Kristen Ahlenius
No, the emailer did a great job with this suggestion. I liked it a lot.
31:45
Peter Dunn
Man, we should have more of our emailers program. The show agreed. You guys, I tried to sign in, but I have a Duplet account on ID me. It's just such a pain in the neck.
31:56
Kristen Ahlenius
A pain in the neck?
31:58
Peter Dunn
Damn. What do you think I made at a record store? I mean, I had to have made minimum wage.
32:04
Damian Dunn
Well, yes, but I bet it was $5 an hour.
32:07
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, you're talking about like, almost double minimum wage.
32:10
Peter Dunn
But I was really good at a record store.
32:13
Damian Dunn
Slanging them CDs.
32:15
Peter Dunn
Yeah, I was good.
32:17
Kristen Ahlenius
I made minimum wage my first summer job in college in 2013.
32:24
Peter Dunn
But I was a better employee than you.
32:28
Damian Dunn
Have you heard? The new Belbiv Devo? It's amazing.
32:31
Peter Dunn
No. Okay, so in the rotation, I worked during the holiday season. I'm going to think about this for. A second holiday season, I could drive to work. So I was 16. I'm going to say holiday season of 94. 95 is when I was in the records. Probably 94. And here's what was in the rotation. Pearl Jam Tende is the best of sade.
32:59
Damian Dunn
Wow.
33:04
Peter Dunn
Of course, it was a holiday. So there was some Kenny g?
33:08
Kristen Ahlenius
Yes.
33:09
Peter Dunn
Mannheim Steamroller. Because you can't celebrate the birth of Christ without Mannheim Steamroller. I think Keith Sweat had to have been involved, and I know R. Kelly was involved worse. And let's leave that alone.
33:31
Damian Dunn
Yeah.
33:32
Peter Dunn
Okay. Let's keep going. We ready to go back to the show. I do have a meeting in 26 minutes. Holy cow. Let's go. Three, two, one. Back on the Pete the Planner show, it's the things cost something in 1960, 719, 95, and now but what do they cost in relation to minimum wage episode of the show? Joining me, as always, is Damien Dunn. Hello. Hello, Kristen. Alanius, if you tried to spell it on your own, you'd fail deeply. Joins me as well. Hello, Kristen.
34:12
Kristen Ahlenius
Hello, Pete.
34:12
Peter Dunn
Dame, do you remember the first time you saw Kristen's last name and you just probably panicked?
34:16
Damian Dunn
Instant sweats. I had no idea what I was going to do with that.
34:21
Kristen Ahlenius
It's not even that hard.
34:23
Peter Dunn
Oh, be quiet. Here's what happened. When we hired you back in the day, dame sent over like, oh, this person's really great, and he sent me your name. And I was like, I have no idea what to say. And for years, even to this day, every time, right before I say your name, I have to do a little word trick, because it's just hard.
34:43
Damian Dunn
It was months before I felt comfortable saying your last name.
34:46
Peter Dunn
I introduced you to this is Kristen A.
34:51
Kristen Ahlenius
It's really not that hard.
34:52
Peter Dunn
I went to YouTube, found someone with your last name who was pronouncing their own name in an interview so I could pronounce your name.
35:00
Kristen Ahlenius
What if that would have been wrong? What if I pronounce it differently?
35:03
Peter Dunn
Then you'd be wrong because it was on YouTube. You're not. Okay, back to 2022. What year are we in?
35:12
Kristen Ahlenius
Good job. So federal minimum wage, which 725. The median wage currently is about 75,000.
35:23
Peter Dunn
Median, not average.
35:24
Kristen Ahlenius
Median. And the price of a Big Mac? How much does a Big Mac cost, guys?
35:32
Peter Dunn
I'm going to go 525.
35:38
Kristen Ahlenius
Damien? The price of a Big Mac nationally is about $5.15. So you have to work for almost three quarters of an hour now to afford a Big Mac at minimum wage.
35:52
Peter Dunn
You guys, I've been trying to eat better. We've talked about this, I don't know, four or five times already in the last 40 minutes. I so badly want a Big Mac for lunch now. It's not cool, Kristen. I'm looking for accountability, and I'm looking for support. And here you've ruined my entire health.
36:12
Damian Dunn
Don't eat the bun.
36:15
Peter Dunn
Which of the buns can I not eat?
36:17
Damian Dunn
Which of the three take the middle bun out?
36:22
Peter Dunn
The middle bun is the middle child of the sandwich world.
36:26
Damian Dunn
It's a diet mac. It's perfect.
36:28
Peter Dunn
It's not a Big Mac, it's a medium sized mac. It's like, you know, the private college on the west side of Indiana? They're the Little Giants as their mascot, and of course, a Little Giant is just a normal size. We're the wabash average males.
36:48
Damian Dunn
They could be the giant midgets.
36:49
Peter Dunn
Yeah, well, I don't think that's the term that people use anymore. Right, Kristen? Continuing.
36:56
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay, so the median home price today we talked about this not long ago.
37:01
Peter Dunn
Do you think I pay attention to.
37:04
Kristen Ahlenius
Anything that happened on the radio? And I made you guys guess.
37:09
Peter Dunn
Okay, $417,000.
37:12
Kristen Ahlenius
Damien? It is actually.
37:17
Peter Dunn
Who pays attention now, bald man?
37:21
Damian Dunn
Like I'm looking in the mirror.
37:23
Peter Dunn
It takes one to know one is what they say.
37:26
Kristen Ahlenius
And then the median college tuition. Public and state, 13.
37:39
Damian Dunn
Five.
37:39
Peter Dunn
You're trying to shift my answer now?
37:41
Kristen Ahlenius
A little bit, yeah. Giving you a chance to Regues.
37:44
Peter Dunn
Yeah, like I said, way to make.
37:46
Damian Dunn
The boss look good. Nice job.
37:50
Kristen Ahlenius
It's just under 11,000, actually. We went from in 1967, you had to work 214 hours at minimum wage to afford one year's tuition.
38:06
Peter Dunn
Gosh.
38:07
Kristen Ahlenius
Now you have to work at minimum wage 1481 hours.
38:13
Peter Dunn
It's still within a year. It's not good, but it's still within a year.
38:20
Kristen Ahlenius
Better than bad. What is the house good? The median home price at minimum wage, you'd have to work 59,000 hours.
38:30
Peter Dunn
But here's the thing. No one can afford, which maybe is the point, but no one at minimum wage should be buying the median. Just like objectively, they're not going to do it.
38:42
Kristen Ahlenius
I wouldn't say that I'm disagreeing with you. I'm just saying when you talk about saying you're wrong, you talk about entering the workforce. It was much more realistic in 67 or 95 to think that you were in some way, shape or form walking toward the median home price. We're just nowhere near that now. I'm not saying it's good, I'm not saying it's bad. I'm not trying to pick a side. I'm just saying that the reality of entering the workforce over the last 60 years is just so different.
39:17
Damian Dunn
Minimum wage job shouldn't come with the expectation of living a median lifestyle.
39:22
Peter Dunn
Yes.
39:23
Kristen Ahlenius
I'm not saying it should. The ratios okay.
39:27
Damian Dunn
I'm just making the comment so I can take the arrows and you don't have to.
39:31
Peter Dunn
No, I'm shooting arrows at everybody and then they'll have a skeleton yard filled with listen, Christy, what was the median income in 19 95? Okay. And today it's 75,000. Right, okay. And then the cost of college in 1995 was 4000 something. Go back to homes. Medium home price in 1995? So my arguments falling apart.
40:05
Kristen Ahlenius
It's not even close, you guys. The ratio is not even close. The increase by percentage is not even close, even if we look at the.
40:12
Peter Dunn
Median but interest rates in 1995, interest rates were so much higher true than they were now. But I mean, not this year. Last year's data.
40:25
Kristen Ahlenius
I don't know. I'm not trying totally jump to the side of life is unaffordable to make that argument. I'm just saying I think there could be a little more empathy here when we talk about how across the board things are so much more expensive in relation to a minimum wage, that when you talk about we always talk about your most crucial years for investing. We always talk about your most crucial years are your 20s. If you're starting out below the median income, you have less time at that higher income level. Throw the minimum wage conversation out of it. Your opportunities are less than over the long term, are they not?
41:07
Peter Dunn
I by no means was suggesting on our Gen Z episode that the problems are exactly the same. I said the complexity of buying a first home, buying a first car, starting a job, those are all the same. To your point and to emailer's point, the economic conditions that then flavor all of these things are absolutely different. I will also note that the thirst for travel and concerts and entertainment culturally is different now than it was in 2000 when I came out of school. So I think there are both economic conditions, but I think there are also cultural preferences which take the argument the complete other way and make it harder.
41:51
Kristen Ahlenius
Perhaps, but I could have gone to see the Beatles in 1967 for 2 hours worth of minimum wage work. What concert can I go to for $15?
42:00
Damian Dunn
Well, you can go to my county fair for free.
42:03
Peter Dunn
And what was the parking situation? That's what I want. And the people were there people there but just a bunch of girls screaming. We've all seen The Ed Sullivan Show. It's okay. They just all have bowl cuts. Everyone settled down? Okay, so the point of this segment is this economic conditions are different for Gen Z coming into the workforce. And I think that was good, right?
42:32
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, I don't disagree.
42:33
Peter Dunn
Yeah, I love that. So shout out to emailer Aaron for that. Shout out to Kristen for the work she put in, especially all the math. Dame. Do you feel more down to earth now?
42:44
Damian Dunn
Tied right down to the Earth tethered.
42:48
Peter Dunn
I mean, I just keep going back to that puts more responsibility on making even better financial decisions in school choice, in housing choice. Like if you try to live the conventional life of 20 years ago, you're going to run into a brick wall, but you have to change with the times. And so I think it's where my head goes.
43:09
Kristen Ahlenius
I think that's more than fair.
43:10
Peter Dunn
I think it's also why it's more acceptable to live at home with your parents than it used to be.
43:14
Kristen Ahlenius
Yes. Also true.
43:16
Peter Dunn
Let's do this. It's coming up after the break. Speaking of waste of money, biggest waste of money of the week. And the news. All that's next on the Pete the Planner show. I'm Pete, the planner. Avocado toast. I'll tell you what it is.
43:34
Kristen Ahlenius
I'm not even Gen Z, and I just became, like, an advocate for Gen.
43:38
Peter Dunn
Z. I'm going to go upstairs and Ellie's just going to be like, told you. And I just start yelling at me in her very aggressive manner.
43:45
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, Ellie's going to yell. Yeah.
43:47
Peter Dunn
She's so aggressive. She had this great sweater on this week. It was like this cardigan, like this black cardigan with these big puffy daisies all over it. I was like, I would rock that. And she said, please go away.
44:00
Kristen Ahlenius
Yeah, okay.
44:04
Peter Dunn
Dame and I had a discussion on Wednesday, and when he saw me on Zoom, he said I looked like the lead singer Cannibals in the she drives me crazy video. And it was pretty funny.
44:19
Damian Dunn
And then I backed it up with.
44:21
Peter Dunn
A picture of which I was wearing the exact same outfit.
44:26
Kristen Ahlenius
That's awesome.
44:27
Peter Dunn
It was brought up to my attention that there is no workplace on earth of where people talk more about what people are wearing than your we are making fun of them, but with love. Like the fact that Dame says I look like the lead singer of fine, young Cannibals. Kind of a weird comment, but I appreciate it. And it was true, and I'm okay with it.
45:00
Damian Dunn
It yeah, that's just the kind of stuff that lives in my taking that space could be storing something much more valuable. But no, that video, that image was just etched, and so I had to share it. I finally got value out of it.
45:17
Peter Dunn
See, here we go. Did I comment on Molly's Spooky skeleton earrings yesterday? Yes, I did.
45:24
Damian Dunn
Probably. Yeah.
45:26
Peter Dunn
They captured the eye, and she could make them dance. She could move her ear, and they look creepy, like they were going to just spread themselves out on someone's yard front lawn. Okay, let's start the show. I need to do this, and I need to do this. I'm going to miss my sales meeting. And we're going to do this, and we're going to go. Here we go. Three, two, one. This week's biggest waste of money of the week, right here on the Pizza Planner show is the Laundry Sauce french saffron detergent pods. Laundry sauce has created a high performance laundry detergent pod that will immerse your premium threads in luxury. Inspired by high end, sophisticated fragrances, their latest intoxicating scent French saffron is being released for a limited run. It's attempting an engaging interplay of red fruits, featuring morello cherry tart, red currant, wild strawberry, raspberry, and crisp red apple.
46:30
Peter Dunn
Time out. Kristen, do you prefer green or red apples?
46:33
Kristen Ahlenius
Red.
46:34
Peter Dunn
Okay. Great. Dame, red. Speaking of sensuality, evolves with caresses of creamy caramel amber vettiver, which is a word I've never read or said. And cedar, to which notes of intrigue and mystery are revealed in the French saffron, oak, moss, Guayak wood, cashmere and tonka bean. Who wrote this? Each pod is filled with science backed stain fighter. Who wrote this? This is the craziest copy I've ever read. I'm going to read that last line. Each pod is filled with science backed stain fighters and enzymes that clean with incredible performance. Laundry Sauce is more than just a brand. It's an elevated, sexy, sensual that sensual, fun and playful approach to laundry that encourages you to rise above the ordinary. That's the wildest copy ever. Dame, have you heard of Guayak wood?
47:38
Damian Dunn
No.
47:40
Peter Dunn
Cashmere.
47:42
Damian Dunn
Is that what cashmere is derived from?
47:45
Peter Dunn
And Kristen, I know that you love a beverage derived of the Tonka bean.
47:49
Kristen Ahlenius
Absolutely.
47:50
Peter Dunn
What do you guys think these laundry sauce French saffron detergent pods cost?
47:56
Damian Dunn
Does it say how many pods you get? How many loads of laundry you can get?
48:00
Kristen Ahlenius
Details, details.
48:02
Peter Dunn
I'm looking here. I'm looking at a box, actually. I'm going to click and find out. Okay. Wow. We can't guess without knowing.
48:13
Kristen Ahlenius
Well, it makes a difference.
48:15
Peter Dunn
It does. I'm trying to see it doesn't even say okay, hold on everyone calm down, listener. I'm working on it.
48:25
Damian Dunn
Can't we just spray Febreze on our clothes and call it good?
48:28
Peter Dunn
Okay, there are 69 pods.
48:33
Kristen Ahlenius
There are.
48:35
Peter Dunn
It's a terrible show. 69 French saffron laundry sauce pods. How much ate this show?
48:48
Damian Dunn
We were doing so well.
48:50
Kristen Ahlenius
This was such a good show. I'm going to guess that you can get them for under $100. So like a 98 99 type deal?
49:01
Damian Dunn
Why would you guess that something written that pretentiously could be had for under $100 when there's 69 of this is a $300 box of laundry pods.
49:10
Peter Dunn
Oh, wait, hold on. The package includes 69 pods, 69 luxury scented dryer sheets, an eleven ounce cylinder of advanced in wash scent booster, and 19 and a half ounce bottle of performance laundry fabric softener.
49:34
Kristen Ahlenius
Okay, so double my guess.
49:36
Peter Dunn
Okay, so what's your guess? Keep track of your guess.
49:40
Kristen Ahlenius
Of course not. I would say like 199.
49:44
Peter Dunn
All right, 350. The cost of the laundry sauce French saffron signature box is $129. I mean, look, here's the thing. The copy was solid at times.
50:02
Kristen Ahlenius
Oh, I hate that.
50:04
Peter Dunn
It's still a waste of money. Chris, name what's in the news this week.
50:09
Damian Dunn
Peter, it brings me no joy to do this, but Rite Aid filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy protection Sunday, a casualty of a miserable environment for drugstores exacerbated by its runner up status to bigger chains and expensive legal battles for allegedly filling unlawful opioid prescriptions. The bankruptcy is not a surprise, especially to our one and only Kristen Elaineus. Its bigger rivals, CVS, Walgreens, are also facing many of the same problems. They too yada, yada. The point is, Kristen was.
50:46
Peter Dunn
You. It's a half serious moment here on the pizza show when you selected the worst stock pick of the year, and again you choose the stock that you think could do the worst, did you take into consideration the Opioid lawsuits?
51:01
Kristen Ahlenius
No, I did not. I wasn't privy to that.
51:04
Peter Dunn
What do you mean you weren't privy to it? You privy you didn't know it.
51:07
Kristen Ahlenius
I did fine. I didn't know it.
51:09
Peter Dunn
Wow. How will this work? Will she get the stock price? Because it's 100% loss, right? Yeah, I think that we can't win.
51:23
Damian Dunn
She wins.
51:24
Peter Dunn
Because you can't have 101% loss by not she wins. Man, Kristen, you're so disappointing. Performance is so good that it's just like you need to lower your bar of quality so that Dame and I have a I won't.
51:44
Kristen Ahlenius
The good news for the two of you is I will never be able to repeat that ever again. So there's always next year.
51:51
Damian Dunn
Sandbagger Dame selling Sunset Stars will have to discuss antitrust policy at Next all hands. The Justice Department is reportedly considering legal intervention against the lucrative US. Real Estate Commission sharing system. Bloomberg reported some background for renters. When you sell a house, you're likely paying 5% to 6% of the sale in broker fees split between your agent and the buyer's agent. With housing costs popping off, this fee can balloon to roughly $30,000. For a $500,000 house. I'll get it under control. The National Association of Realtors, the industry's lobbying group, requires you to agree to the fee if you list your house on virtually any listing service. The Nar says objections to the current system are just plain silly. The group argues it benefits buyers by making it easier for first timers in minority and lower income groups to purchase a house. I roll. One of the two class action suits against Nar and four large brokerages settled earlier this week, requiring Remax and Anywhere real estate to pay a combined 138 and a half million dollars.
52:59
Damian Dunn
But only the DOJ can make sweeping changes. Redfin CEO Glenn Kellman told Bloomberg that if the DOJ were to dismantle the current commission structure, quote, half of the real estate agents in this country will be unemployed.
53:16
Peter Dunn
Gosh, I have thoughts.
53:18
Kristen Ahlenius
I have feelings.
53:20
Peter Dunn
Oh, boy. So, needless to say, none of us here want know it's. Unemployment is not fun employment, if you know what mean. So I hear that. But also, the sniff test fails pretty hard here, Kristen. If there's a housing run and the argument was, well, the commission is for marketing costs and the difficulty and the complexity of this or that, I'm struggling to see the value as housing prices escalate.
53:58
Kristen Ahlenius
Respectfully agreed. I think that in certain times, it's harder to make the justification. I know that one of the homes that I purchased, I didn't feel that the fee that I paid was fair or the home that I listed, rather didn't feel like the fee that I paid was fair. And the argument of, if we changed this structure, people would lose their jobs. I have a really hard time with it being presented that way.
54:31
Peter Dunn
Look, being a Realtor is not an easy job. When it's hard. Even when it's easy, it's hard. But those fees are a little bit nutty. I think certain industries just shake out in sort of cultural norms or technology. Think about these fees were established pre Internet. When you couldn't search and get all the information you need, you had to get it word of mouth or on a flyer from a Realtor you couldn't search online. And how has that not changed?
55:03
Kristen Ahlenius
I don't know.
55:04
Damian Dunn
It's changed a ton. Taking all the other things out of the equation, it feels like something that should be a fixed price.
55:11
Peter Dunn
It's fair. Dame, we have no more time. That's it. That's the show. That's the show. Kristen, great job on all the research. Emailer Aaron. Thank you for contributing to the topic this week. Dame and Kristen, it was really good to see you.
55:25
Kristen Ahlenius
You, too.
55:26
Peter Dunn
I wish you a good Spooky season. We'll be back next week for more fun, frivolity and finance. That's not our tagline. Sending good vibes is all in the budget. I'm Pete planner. This is Pete planner show. Dan, what was the time of that segment?
55:41
Damian Dunn
I just stopped.
55:44
Kristen Ahlenius
I went stop. Clear.
55:46
Peter Dunn
I forgot to start it. Whatever. All right, I have a meeting in three minutes. Anything anybody wants to say about anything? No. Dame, if you get to purchase one thing from a fall festival pumpkin patch, apple picking situation that comes at those stores, what's your purchase? Apple cider donuts.
56:10
Damian Dunn
Apple dumpling or apple crisp?
56:12
Kristen Ahlenius
Probably.
56:13
Damian Dunn
Especially if they've got ice cream.
56:14
Peter Dunn
I prefer a dumpling over a crisp.
56:16
Damian Dunn
I do, too, but ice cream is the key there.
56:21
Peter Dunn
I do love apple pie, but I like the full coverage. The crust over the top. I don't like an apple crumble pie, but I wouldn't turn it down.
56:31
Damian Dunn
Apple dumpling?
56:32
Peter Dunn
Yeah. Apple dumpling is a great choice. Kristen, what do you choose?
56:37
Kristen Ahlenius
Do you call them like a sheet pie where they're on, like, an eight and a half? Like they're on a baking sheet.
56:43
Peter Dunn
Okay.
56:43
Kristen Ahlenius
I like that version of an apple.
56:45
Peter Dunn
Pie, but is it like a cake?
56:48
Kristen Ahlenius
It's like a bar kind of.
56:49
Peter Dunn
I think they're like an apple spiced cake.
56:52
Kristen Ahlenius
No, it's the same structure. I've never seen that pie, but they make them on a sheet pan. I think they're called a sheet pie.
57:01
Peter Dunn
Are you from outer space? I've never seen a sheet think.
57:05
Kristen Ahlenius
I don't think I'm making that up.
57:08
Damian Dunn
YouTube, here I come.
57:09
Peter Dunn
Yeah, I'm an apple cider donut. And they come in a little box of six. And by the time I walk back over to my family, there's one for them to share because they are delicious. That's all. Kristen, thank you for putting Big Mac in my head today. Dame, thank you for helping me learn how to pronounce Kristen's last name. And to all of you listeners, thank you for entertaining our egos. Because that's what it is to be in the media. It's an ego spun out of control. Stay getting money. Bye.
